Don't buy greenworks green works cordless battery powered lawn mower?

Q. Don't buy green works cordless battery powered lawn mower. The one year warranty on the battery doesn't mean anything. When you call them at 1-888-909-6757 and give them the model # 25222, and ask for the battery, then will tell you that they are on back order. Even www.amazon.com sells the lawn mower but not the battery. I bought my lawn mower from pep boys and even they don't sell the battery. Still, if you don't want listen to my advise, then do this: call them at the above phone # and give them the model # and tell them that you already have the lawn mower but the battery went dead after three and a half months, and hear what they will have to say. I bought my green works cordless battery powered lawn mower from pep boys in March 2012 and the battery went dead in June 2012. I called the green works customer service because pep boys store said that they can't do anything about it. And they told me to take my battery and the charger to their assigned place and they kept the lawn mower for 3-4 days. Then I called them and they told me that the battery is bad and they don't have a new one and green works company is back order on the batteries. I called green works and they told me that I will get the battery in August. I called them in August and they said that they are still on back order and I should get the battery in September. Now the September went by and I still don't have the battery. So please don't why greenworks lawn mower, unless you want to waste your money. Some other people have similar experience with them if you read the reviews on amazon.com and type in green works or greenworks. Will anyone listen to my advice?
I am not trying to reach the battery powered lawn mower owners. But I am trying to reach the new customers who hasn't bought it yet but thinking about it.

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So, you really think you're reaching out to cordless battery lawnmower owners via yahoo answers??? lol? Personally (and no offense, but) I don't know ANYONE who would buy a battery operated lawn mower.
Or a mower with a CORD on it for that matter!!!!

Push mower will not start!!?

Q. Okay, I bought a BRAND NEW in spring of 2012, right out of the box, push button start, push mower!
I used it plenty of times and have NOT had ANY problems with it.
Two weeks ago, on a wednesday, I put gas in it, filled it up, on my merry routine, and it would not start for the life of me!
So, the next day, I tried starting it AGAIN.. And again, it would NOT START!
I tried both the starter button and pulling it..
The NEXT DAY I try it again...and YET AGAIN it WILL NOT START!!!
..okay, I left it for the weekend hoping that maybe the gas would make its way to the engine..
On TUESDAY of the next week, I tried starting it and still NOTHING!!!
Now, I'm pissed! I let it sit in the garage for, now, another whole freaking week letting the gas settle and evaporate whatever the hell it's gotta do!

Today, I go outside, and try again!!!!
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!

I took off the filter, cleaned it, try making the engine suck the gas in, I had it ALMOST start but it didn't turn over, I pulled the string to start it, it went VROOM dun-dun-dun---d-d-d-dundun-d-d-dun and it died!

Take note, last time I used it and it ran, I left no gas in it, the tank is so damn small I can hardly do my whole lawn and I have almost an acre. But this always happens..

So, I don't have a primer button, I put new oil in it, new gas, cleaned the filter, charged the batter...
Still won't start..

...I'm so glad I'm a patient man or I swear to god,
I would @#$%^$# DRAG this mower to the dump!

Anyway, what do you think?
Thanks for any advice!
Much appreciated!

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First of all, avoid the temptation to throw it out and calm down although I know it's frustrating.. Is the mower under warranty? I'd have the dealer repair it if so.

If not...I would pull the spark plug and see if it's getting spark....remove the plug, reattach the plug wire to the plug tip, hold the plug threaded base or electrode to the metal of the engine using an insulated pliers and crank over the engine. If the plug has a bright bluish spark at the electrode, then the ignition is working OK. If no spark, you have ignition problems which a shop would have to look at. I doubt the spark plug would be too worn or need to be regapped but you may want to install a new plug.

The next step is to try starting the engine with a little carb cleaner sprayed into the carb throat (remove air filter if there is one)...or pour a teaspoon of gas into the plug hole and reinstall the plug....then try starting. If the engine starts and dies...repeat putting a little gas in the plug hole and restart until it stays running. May take a few tries. Or keep spraying a little carb cleaner spray into the carb throat and restart until the engine runs by itself. Replace air filter after you get the engine running. Sometimes the small passages in the carb can get gummed up from old gas which needs to be purged out and flushed by running the engine with fresh gas. Best to use products like Stabil or Seafoam in every tank of gas to keep any gas in the carb from gumming up over time....especially when storing in the off season. Parts stores carry carb cleaner spray and Stabil or Seafoam products.

Is there a kill switch for the engine which shuts down the engine if a handle is released? If there is , that could be a problem if the cable from the handle to the switch is out of adjustment or the switch itself. It sounds more like you have spark or carb problems...most likely from stale gas in the carb.

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What would be a good quality lawn tractor for me to buy for my acre yard.?

dalejrallt

I was looking for a good lawn tractor to mow my 1 acre yard. I have been looking at John Deere LA 175 and the husqvarna LGT2654. I was also kind of looking at the cub cadet tractors but wasn't sure what would be good. The only requirements was that I wanted the briggs and stratton v-twin engine and a 48 to 54 inch cut. So I just need a few opinions on some tractors.

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My cousin has a deere that needs yearly repairs. I have a cub cadet 50" deck, oil change has been the only maintenance so far.

Why would my Lawn Tractor Backfire and shut down when Blades are engaged.?

Q. Lawn tractor runs good until the blades are engaged. then the engine backfires and eventually shuts down and cant be restarted until it sets for a few hours. Mowers runs fine for approx 20 min till this starts to take affect.

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I would say you probably have a bearing that is going bad on one of the spindles of the blades. There is a spindle for each blade that has a bearing inside. When one or more of the bearings starts to fail it makes it hard for the engine to turn that spindle - usually the belt will start slipping on this spindle and you will see some smoke or a squealing sound.
The other thing to check is the build up of dead grass under the mower deck. This can cause the blades to slow down or even stop one or more of the blades. I pull our riding mower (craftsman 54" deck) up on a set of sloping car ramps. This gives me room to reach under the deck with a putty knife and scraper to clean out this dead dried grass. Believe me, it accumulates pretty quickly. I clean this out each time I mow our 4 acres.
Check these 2 items first.

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how do i find info on my turf power lawn tractor?

gas2high4m

bought lawn tractor/mower used ,on both sides of the hood has TURF-POWER logo,model 46201x15a,manufactured date 3471.engine size 18hp twin cylinder

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This might help.

1.Turf Power 12.5 HP, 42 inch, lawn tractor
John, I recently inherited a Turf Power (by Agway) 12.5 HP, 42 inch, 7 Speed I/C riding lawn tractor. If anyone has any info on it or web sites please

I recently inherited a Turf Power (by Agway) 12.5 HP, 42 inch, 7 Speed I/C riding lawn tractor. If anyone has any info on it or web sites please let me know.
What do you think it is worth if I want to sell it? I assume it is around 4 or 5 years old. Starts and runs ok.
You can see pics here:
http://www.mysporttrac.com/shared/msgboard9e.asp?BOARDNAME=MSG&VIEW=426623&REPLYCOUNT=13
Thanks
John
info has been already found. thanks anyway.

Roy
I about to get the very samr tractor. Wher did you find the info?

John
http://manuals.mtdproducts.com/mtd/public/list.jsp

How do you change the drive belt on a craftsman lawn tractor model 917.270670; 42 in 18.5 hp mower?

golfjock

I am not an idiot by I want to be sure before I replace a belt that looks like it's going bad

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The best way that I have found is to remove the mower deck so that you can more easily get to the belt and it's routing. Now if you look under the left foot rest of your tractor you will find a decal that clearly shows the belt routing. You can look at the diagram while you are putting the belt on. Real handy and most all Craftsman tractors have this.

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Hand Push Lawn Mower - Should I buy one?

I hate mowing the lawn - hate it, hate it, hate it! A friend recently suggested that I should try a hand push lawn mower, to remind me of a simpler time and because it might actually do a better job on my lawn too.

Any hand lawn mowers out there available to give me some advice?

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I personally prefer hand push lawn mowers to electric hover mowers. I feel more pride in my lawn once it's done, knowing that I've achieved that with what I'd consider simpler and more traditional tools. With that said, its not for those who are afraid of a little exercise as it can be hard work.

Ideally you want a mower with a 20" frame as it cuts down on the effort you have to put in and gives the best results on your lawn (in my experience).

Have a look at the Scotts 2000 model (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004RA3E?ie=UTF8&tag=yoga089-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00004RA3E) - this one in particular has good quality parts, unlike cheaper models I've tried in the past, that will give you good results first time and will last as long as you do!

You'll also be saving money on electricity/gas, which is always a good thing.

Happy mowing!

What electric lawn mower should I buy?

Scott S

I'm buying a new house with 1/2 acre of lawn. There are some moderate hills, so I would want a model that is self-propelled.

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hey, i wouldnt recomend using a electric lawn mower, specially seeing as its half an acre of lawn, i would suggest getting a fuel powered one. it depends alot on your budget and if you want to do any gardens on the side aswell, but i own a semi pro lawnmower make called hayter, they are by far the most reliable lawnmower that you can get that is just normal and it will last you for years and years, my dad owns one and has owned it for 8 years and still not had a thing wrong wi it. mines 3 years old and is fine and the one at my work is over 10 years and still hasnt going wrong with it. other then that try just get a wee toro, kubota, ransoms, honda or john deere mower, hope this helps :D

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What do you think about putting graphic images on cigarette packs?

Michael

So they want to do this by some time in 2012 - images of damaged lungs, dead bodies, and such on at least 50% of cigarettes sold.
What do you think about this? Is it constitutional? Why (really I mean HOW) does the government have the authority to alter the design of a company's product?
Do you think it will achieve the end they want? Why haven't they been talking about doing this with food or alcohol? Of all drugs, alcohol affects your body the most.
Cancer, emphysema, amputations, etc... these results aren't even typical!
As far as bad food goes, being fat is typical. And what about the crap they put in food (MSG, trans fat, HFCS, etc, etc)? Are the adverse effects of those typical? Absolutely. Why aren't there warning labels on them? Or why aren't they pushing it?
Additionally, even if it does work - everybody quits smoking, and tobacco companies go out of business, whatever - wtf is up with the government? The government would be pushing people out of business!
Personally, I think they are putting their big noses where they don't belong. This ought to be up to parents, and one's own judgment.
So just tell me your opinion, and why you think that. Or just say whether you support it or not.
@ The CRYING Potato - the government keeps tobacco legal because they have no right to make it illegal.
@ The CRYING Potato - the government keeps tobacco legal because they have no right to make it illegal.

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Yep. You're right. It's BS. Why not put pictures of disgusting, damaged teeth on Coke products? How about mutilated body parts pictures on lawn mowers, because improper use, you know, could cause that damage? It's idiotic to single-out cigarettes, no matter if you smoke or not.

Why do people think it's the end of the world?

Chris

Remember people like Napoleon and Hitler? People thought it was the end of the world back when those guys were tough shit. Now their in the ground and it's years and years later. The world is still spinning.

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Napoleon and Hitler were supposedly the first two of the three antichrists, the last yet to come or could possibly have already come (possibly Saddam Hussein or some argue Obama - haha prob not though)

The world has been set to end many times before

1.) January 1, 1000 A.D.

The months leading up to the new millennium were tumultuous. Many pilgrims, knights, and others made a trip to Jerusalem, thinking that the Apocalypse and Armageddon was upon them. During their trip there, many died of disease and hunger. Some pilgrims even sold all their belongings in the hope that it would help them become one of the chosen few to ascend. Needless to say, the world was relatively safe when the calendar rolled over and many pilgrims were left homeless.

2.) Many dates in 1843 and 1844

There was this preacher named William Miller. He studied the Bible extensively and after doing some calculations, he became convinced that the world was going to end sometime in 1843. He double checked his answers for 4 years and then in 1822 went public in a document with his declaration. He said the world would end between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844. When nothing happened, he pushed the date back to April 18, 1844. Another man within this movement, now known as Millerism, predicted the final doomsday date of October 22, 1844. When nothing happened (again), it became known as âThe Great Disappointment.â The Millerism movement weakened after that and the thousands of followers were left confused and in disbelief.

3.) March 10, 1982

Whatâs so special about March 10, 1982? Well on that day, the planets were all on the same side of the sun. While the planets were not exactly in a straight line, many people saw this event as a sign of the end times. The âJupiter Effectâ was supposed to wreak havoc over tidal forces, cause earthquakes and hurricanes, and almost every other natural disaster you can imagine. Well, weâre still here.

4.) January 1, 2000

The infamous Y2K situation. Futurists had visions of toasters attacking their owners with weaponized toast and lawn mowers chasing after gardeners. Governments around the world feared that computers and electronic systems would read the digits â00â³ as 1900, instead of 2000. There is no doubt that at least a few of the people who showed up in Times Square in New York that night were expecting to go out in a blaze of glory. Much to their dismay, the Y2K situation passed relatively harmlessly.

5.) June 6, 2006

If you write that date in short form, it comes out 6/6/06. As you may know, the number â666â² is referred to as the sign of the devil. Religious sects were informing everyone they could that the Antichrist was returning to Earth and that people should prepare themselves. Either the Antichrist never came, or he got stuck in traffic because Earth still stands.

6.) December 21/23, 2012

This is quite possibly the most famous date for the end of the world. The date was âpredictedâ by the Mayans as the last date on their Long Count calendar. Other events are schedule to occur in 2012, causing more hype. One event includes the sun reaching a solar maximum (it might happen in early 2013). When it does that, the magnetic poles of the Earth supposedly might reverse, causing unimaginable damage. There is also a theory that a giant solar flare will incinerate the planet and if that wasnât enough, supervolcanoes will erupt and completely block out the sun for whatever life is left on the Earth.

7.) The year 3797

Nostradamus is seen as a âprophetâ by many. His books of quatrains that are supposedly about future events are well known and documented. However, Nostradamusâs prophecies stop abruptly at the year 3797. A sign of the end of the world? We will see. If it happens, please let me know so this article can be updated.

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How do I go about mowing lawns in my neighborhood this summer?

Head of Ra

Hi, I'm 17 years old and this summer I want to make good money for a trip to Spain with my school next Spring Break (April 2012) which is I think 2,000 dollars (My family is not the richest...)
I already tutor two kids for 20 bucks an hour for one hour so I get 40 bucks every weekend but that's for spending and going out and obviously it doesn't apply during the summer.

My dad said I could mow lawns for a good amount of money, I already did once (for a neighbore, I mow our lawn all the time) and charged 20 bucks and he happily paid me (the lawns in this neighborhood are.... not extremely large, they are decent sized.)

Now my original thought was to just take my mower and just knock house to house and ask if they want their lawn cut and negotiate on the money- smaller lawn smaller pay. I would go to the houses that look like they need mowing and knock on the door, tell people I'm trying to raise money for a school trip, that I have my own mower, and charge like 15 or 20 for the whole lawn and do about 4-5 a day (should only take 4-5 hours, the lawns are decent sized.)

My dad says I should make flyers, knock on everyones door JUST to hand them out and wait for people to call, that I have to convince them why my lawn mowing is better than others, establish a reputation and business. While this all sounds logical to the entrepeneur (which he is), I think this is all unnecessary, I'm not looking for permanent job, I just want to cut lawns every week to make some money.

So what's the approach? Any tips? Is this a good idea?

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I'll tell you one thing, you should offer to mow your mother'sh lawn as shoon ash posshible... It'sh a jungle

Any good jobs in the area of Delmar or Albany, NY for landscapers, gardeners or pond builders?

upwardly_m

I live in northern Florida. I work as a sub contractor for another firm. My main work is rock walls, stairs, gardens, ponds, etc. I can do planting and clearing, but that's not my specialty. The guy who hired me as a subcontractor always paid well. If it was me and my helper, we got $30-35 per hour. I could pay him $12 and pay myself about $15. I always considered that fair. I have a little used tractor with front end loader, backhoe, mower, etc. I'm paying off a $10,000 loan on this thing still. When that gets added to the job, that's another $35 per hour. Until now...
I can't get more than $20 per hour for the tractor or for our work. I can't do it for that low. I will lose money. My helper isn't going to work for $8 and I'm not going to work for $9 per hour. The bottom fell out hard around here. My house lease is up the end of this month. The landlord wants to know if I'm going to renew. Since February, I've worked my tail off for about $4,500. It all went to rent and tractor payments. My helper is not working anymore for me. Somebody is giving him $9 per hour to work in a lawn and garden store, so that's a better deal. His aunt lives in Delmar, NY, about 15 minutes south of Albany, NY, the capital.
She said we could come up there and stay with her a month or two for free. He's single. I'm married. I'd like to have a kid soon. My wife would like to have a kid tomorrow if it was possible. We can't do it. She works full time for about $8 an hour at Target. That's what they pay after 6 years on the job. My wife could work at a Target in the Albany area and not lose our limited benefits if she transfers. I wouldn't want to stay more than a month taking advantage of someone is not my style.
This is a huge move. Leave all my friends and family behind. This is something like 2,000 miles away. Probably never see anyone of them ever again. A scarey choice. Stay here and just struggle to go broke? Go to a far away place I know nothing about and try to start over. Anybody familiar with the area and could say how good work pays or how much their is? Thanks.

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best online jobs in this website.key of 2011,2012 best jobs ,wanted jobs ,online jobs,business jobs.choose and search this website

http://jobsmost.blogspot.in/

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Does a typical push lawn mower have a vertical or horizontal crankshaft? Could it be used on a go-cart?

Questioner

Also, if you know, how fast would a 5HP lawn mower engine move a go-cart?
I realize now that it has a vertical crankshaft. Would a snowblower engine 5-6 HP work better? If it does, why does the engine move the snowblower wheels very slow?....Would i also move the axel that slow?
I realize now that it has a vertical crankshaft. Would a snowblower engine 5-6 HP work better? If it does, why does the engine move the snowblower wheels very slow?....Would it also move the axel that slow?

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If it is a typical law mower it has a vertical shaft and would be too much trouble to rig as a go cart motor, but it can be done. Just a lot of work to do it. Typical 5 hp brigs can run as much as 50mph or more, but it won't last long turning those rpm's. You would be better off just buying a Rupp engine with about 8 to 10 hp. Lot better engine than a briggs for a go cart.

how to build a go-cart with a lawn mower?

Jordan E

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Buy a riding lawn mower and take the blade off. Now you have a crappy go-cart

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Are husqvarna lawn tractors good on hilly terrain?

Jeremy

I was thinking of buying one of there lawn tractors but i have kind of hilly terrain. I know some lawn tractors don't do as well on this type of land.

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It is going to be less an issue of what brand and more what style of mower is going to work best for you. Steep hills call for a mower with a lower center of gravity and a wider stance. How steep are you talking? Also are you running up and down the hills or across? A floating deck is going to be better then a hanging deck to reduce scalping as you crest the hills. Additionally, the bigger the hills, the higher the risk of rollover, so investing in a mower with a seatbelt and ROPS (roll-over protection system) may be very well worth it.

Finally, you need to look at what type of transmission is on the equipment. A low price mower may be under-built to handle the demands you are putting it under. A commercial grade mower may cost more, but may save you a bundle in repairs and replacement in the future.

why does my lawn tractor engine bog down sometimes?

EpicRacer

i just put a new craftsman 17.5hp single cylinder engine in my tractor. when i push the throttle full, it lags a bit to get up to speed. when i engage the mower blades, the rpms drop slightly, not a lot, but there is a noticable difference. when i mow uphill, the rpms also drop a little more, and if i mow in 5th gear they drop further. it also bogs down when i hit a thick patch of grass, but it always moves fast enough to cut the grass cleanly.

what is the cause of this?
this just doesnt seem normal to me. it doesnt feel as powerful as my old 17hp engine. the old engine never bogged down unless i hit a really thick area of grass. it revved quickly and always maintained a steady rpm, give or take a couple hundred rpms.

is there a break-in period for small engines?
its a Briggs& Stratton with the craftsman label, part of the I/O series engine.
im hoping the engine just needs to be broken in. my old B&S could do anything- take a full 42" bite on damp (i dont mow WET grass) grass and barely bog down; i could do wheelies and lay some rubber down the driveway, it just had mega torque for its size, this one cant do those things.

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You say you have a craftsman 17.5 hp single cylinder engine?..Funny, I have been in this business for 20 years and craftsman does not make engines...what I would need to know is...is it a Briggs and Statton?..or a Tecumseh?..
What you are describing sounds like a twin opposed engine and what it does going up and down hills.... which if that were the case...the oil slinger works in a different way..but, it is not warrantable if you have the twin opposed going up and down hills...not what they are made for...but, if you have the single cylinder engine I would have to ask..did you do this yourself?..Or did a shop do it?..We have to set the rpms right and I use a light that helps..though I can go by sound..most people that do it themselves invariably do it by sound...which is almost always wrong, since you don't work around this type of equipment day in and day out..that is why they have us...we go to school for it..every year..without fail.. Another thing..when you are cutting grass, you don't use the whole width of a mower to make a full cut...use a 3/4 cut so as not to bog down...and I would also have to ask this...are you mowing after it rains?..while the grass is still wet?...Big no no..though people never listen to us until they have blown their engine and want to blame us?...here is a good trick...before you mow...spray pam or another cooking spray underneath the mower housing, where the blades are...be surprised, won't have that build-up of grass on it when you are finished...I have tried to tell my customers to use a hose and they will tell me I do!..this is when something such as their bearings go out...we know better..Just so you know, craftsman does not make the engines...trust me..look at the blower housing, do you see the Briggs symbol or the Tecumseh symbol..there is only one other engine that you would have...doubt it is that one...though sears does have a few...but, on the zero turn radius...and it's an expenseive little baby....but, do watch the oil..make sure it is on the mark, and use only HD 30...if all else fails...go to Wal-mart, or sears, or look in your local phone book for a dealer of these engines near you..they will tell you the same thing that I have told you...

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Where can I find a small circular grindstone attachment for a quarter-inch drill?

beingagood

I have one, but it's worn out. Can't seem to find one in the store.

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You can get a small grindstone for a drill in the lawnmower parts section of a home improvement store. They are used for sharpening lawnmower blades. They look like this:

http://www.amazon.com/Lawnmower-Blade-Sharpener-Works-Power/dp/B003N2V59C

What are some examples of a wheel and axle?

Rach(:

I already have manual pencil sharpener, ferris wheel, and tire! And if you can, try to name something that isn't boring! :)
Thanks!

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some non boring example huh? how about a SAW BLADE!!!!!!! and i think that A LAWNMOWER BLADE works to!!!

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In market for riding lawn mower. Suggestions please?

Trav9536

I've done some research, and I'm thinking I like Cub Cadet or John Deere. I don't want to spend any more than $2000 for the tractor and bagging attachment. Will the cheapest models hold up on a 1/4 acre lawn? Do you have experience with your Deere or Cub Cadet? I can perform maintenance and repairs, but I want something that will last a while without much trouble. Does anyone have a cheaper brand (Yard Machines etc) they are happy with?

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They're both good mowers as are several others. I've had a couple of Craftsman that I'd swear by. They've got a good one on sale right now for about $1700 w/bagger.
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/s_10153_12605_Lawn+%26+Garden_Riding+Mowers+%26+Tractors_Lawn+Tractors+%28less+than+2+acres%29#viewItems=40&pageNum=1&sortOption=ORIGINAL_SORT_ORDER&&filter=Accepts+Bagger|Included&lastFilter=Accepts+Bagger

Cub Cadet has a good deal on this one. w/ a bagger it'll be about $2K
http://www.cubcadet.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_14101_534208_16203_-1_600000_33810
I'm thinking that'll be my next mower or one like it.

John Deere is always good but overpriced in my opinion.

All of these mowers are rated for up to 2 1/2 acres. Your 1/4 acre lot should be a piece of cake. Just remember, sharp blades and dry grass.

Whatever your choice, check out warranty, service availability, cost of maintenance (blades, belts, battery etc.) some mowers can be very expensive to maintain. Is there a dealer local?

My first Craftsman lasted 10 years and was still running pretty good in fact when I got a new one. It's 10y/o now (another Craftsman) and I'm looking. I have about 2 acres to mow. Just keep the air filters clean and oil fresh.
I also have a C/man self propelled walk behind that I mow the front with (lotta stuff to mow around, flower beds, etc). It's 5 years old and still runs like new practically.

what is the best riding lawn mower on the market right now for dependability and longivity?

MICHAEL S

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John Deere has several models of riding lawn mowers, such as the 100 Series; the X300 Series; the X 500 Series; and the X 700 Series. These are all heavy, solidly built dependable units and all American made. They are not inexpensive but they will serve you for many years and they hold their value.

I know people who buy use ones of 20 years old and older and continue to use them for many years. They are not plastic junk.

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